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blubb (Guest), July 10th, 2016, 5:16 am     Reply

Go Adrestia!
Not too unexpected. Go kick his ass =D

Epicarp (Guest), July 10th, 2016, 5:34 am     Reply


This is probably just a Morphe thing or somebody might've extended the Excision Tactic over to Awakened, but I just gotta say it:

Awakened magic comes from the soul, not the brain. The brain is part of the Lie, it's ultimately an illusion. Gnosis and Arcana dots don't represent knowledge of magic, so much as the development of a mage's soul, their connection to their Watchtower. The Occult skill is a more accurate representation of their knowledge in magic.

At best, Excision could only remove Rotes, since those rely on things brain surgery can remove.

Okay, rant over. Not saying that this ruins Morphe for me or anything, just a minor gripe.

Leliel (Guest), July 10th, 2016, 5:56 pm     Reply


@Epicarp: Er no. This isn't Ascension. The brain may draw MEANING from the Supernal, but ultimately, the Fallen World defines the Supernal in turn. The Lie and The World are two different things, made clear in 2E; the Lie is that magic doesn't exist/you, puny human, have no capacity to control or defend against it all except by hiding. Something that is not true is of the Abyss-including the Lie, and Disbelief/Dissonance (the Exarchs harnessed it, hence why there's an Iron Seal of the Abyss).

Even if it wasn't true, ultimately the brain is kind of critical to thought, which is critical to Imagos-without the capacity to visualize an Imago, you can't consciously access magic. The Supernal is simply too complex and vast without things of the Fallen World to properly organize it. So, Cross may have damage to his frontal lobe and visual cortex...which would explain some things.

Merchant of Pain (Guest), July 10th, 2016, 10:14 pm     Reply


@Leliel: If Cross cannot form Imagos or consciously control his magic because of brain surgery... then he's still Awakened, just a deeply damaged one. Unless Cross gets some kind of treatment, his condition will quickly deteriorate, and the most likely possibilities are then that either he'll have Banisher-like reactions to magic and become one, or he'll go insane being literally unable to interpet or control the input his magic gives him. In the second case, he'll loose grip on reality, and his soul will literally fracture and leak magic. His psychotic break will either let him cast magic again in an innovative way (while still having been sent directly to Wisdom 0 with no way back except Archmastery), or his soul will instead project Arcana-based Tuplas to carry out his unconscious desires (this is also incredibly bad).

Awakening! No easy way back. Unless you let a Timori flay the Gnosis from your soul (because getting your soul flayed is a healthy milestone in any person's life). Or let some Reaper steal your soul. Other alternatives to 'curing' the Awakened condition result in similarly horrifying outcomes. I'm willing to accept that Cross got caught by a Timori masquerading as a doctor and got something really awful done to him for the sake of the story.

Leliel (Guest), July 10th, 2016, 6:04 pm     Reply


Also, yes, I did just say Hizrim isn't real-the Abyss is kind of like a virus, in that in order to enter the real world, it needs to convince reality it exists in any conventional form.

Acamoth and gulmoth aren't so much demons so much as they are demon-shaped holes in the world. Which includes holes shaped like minds, which can think in holes shaped like thoughts, to direct holes shaped like supernatural power that the world is tricked into reacting like there is an actual power except not really because it's a hole which is why Abyssal beings are always so strange except not that strange because in order to infiltrate they need inherent logic but it can't be too logical otherwise they wouldn't be holes...

That run-on is why no mage who isn't a Sclestus studies the Abyss. It's too much of migraine to think about the Outside too long.

Epicarp (Guest), July 11th, 2016, 9:57 pm     Reply


@Leliel: Okay yes, technically the Fallen does define the Supernal as the Supernal defines the Fallen. That said, only archmages know that, as it's part of the Second Awakening, hence why I didn't mention that particular detail because Morphe is about mages (so far, at least).

Anyways, there's a reason why the spellcasting dice pool is Gnosis + Arcanum, not Intelligence + Arcanum. The only thing you need the brain for is to focus on making an Imago. The actual Imago itself however, is handled by Gnosis and Arcana, or the Awakened soul in other words.

The only way one could remove a mage's spellcasting ability through brain surgery alone is by removing their ability of concentration and thoughts, i.e. turn them into a vegetable.

Basically, it's just as Uncle said: "Magic must defeat magic."

Although, the "brain surgeon" turning out to be a Timori that removed his magic via Attainment under the guise of brain surgery is certainly plausible.

burningtyger, July 23rd, 2016, 1:18 am     Reply


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